investigation and the trouble we had to obtain witnesses at the time we wanted them. So far as establishing the fact is concerned, I seek simply to bring out the fact; it is an important one, and so long as I can find a witness and the court is open I shall certainly introduce him to show what the size of General Bragg's army was. I have no wish to place it down below what it really was. I wish to bring out the fact of what the size of General Bragg's army.

By the JUDGE-ADVOCATE:

Question. Were you in Munfordville at the time of its surrender and can you state anything as to the size of General Bragg's army?

Yes, sir; I was there at the time of Colonel Wilder's surrender. In regard to General Bragg's army, the information I have I got mostly from the officers. General Bragg came in there in such a manner that I could not get a good opinion of the number of men he had, from the fact that he came in from below, across the railroad bridge, and from above, fording the river. I was informed by a number of the officers that the number of their regiments was sixty, and the regiments, I judge, would not average over 500. I think I made the statement to General Buell that there were not over 30,000 men.

Question. At what time did you make that statement to General Buell and what comment did he make upon it?

I made this statement to General Buell at the time his army was passing through there-the night he stopped at Woodsonville. I do not remember his making any comment upon it.

Cross-examination by General BUELL:

Question. Did you see all of the regiments?

No, sir; I do not think I did.

Question. You have stated, I believe, that you opinion of the number of regiments was formed from statements made to you by officers?

Yes, sir.

Question. Are you positive that the number you have stated was intended to embrace the whole army?

I understood it so.

Question. What officers made this representation to you as to the number of regiments?

I could not give you the names; I talked to several colonels and some other officers.

Question. At what particular time was the statement made to you-what day of the week or month or with reference to some known event?

It was at various times while General Bragg's army was there.

Question. Do you know any reason why these officers should have exposed to you the strength of Bragg's army?

No, sir. In giving the number of regiments that they had they did not give me the number of men. The idea they wished to convey was that they had more men than would be supposed from the number of their regiments; they wished to give the idea that there were more men in each regiment than they actually had.

Question. Did you think that sixty was a very large number of regiments?

No, sir; I should think they would have more men from the number of generals they had.

Question. Do you know how many men were engaged in the attack on Munfordville on the 14th of September, that is, the first attack made?

I heard Colonel Wilder give the number of regiments and brigades, but I could not