Prevailing views on the WBTS and cultural marxism

[charge_of_glory]

We can't forget though that they were brought over on "Yankee" ships because it was during the time before the sucession of the South. So in reality, they weren't yankee ships at all. They were American ships, some from the North, some from the South. It was the crime of all, not just those who stayed under the nation's flag in a time of crisis. Also don't forget that in the 1850's and 1860's, people were starting to see how inhumane slavery was. The general believe isn't ok when there are people showing that it's wrong. Once people began to question it during this time of change, those who still believed it to be alright became incorrect. So yes, while many still thought nothing of it, that's no excuse since others could see the cruelness in it, and expressed it.

I agree that people should figure things out for themselves though. I can't stand it when people don't even bother to think about it before speaking. It's ok to be on whatever side you choose, as long as you side with that group because of your beliefs and ideas. It's not ok to just follow the common, and sometimes false, information you hear.

[charge_of_glory]

I know you're not having a go at me, no worries.

I see what you're talking about but I can't say I totally agree. I think the slave trade in New England was mainly there because the country was founded up in that neck of the woods and they also have a lot of ports for ships to sail to. Naturally many slave ships would sail in and out of there. Same with that first specialized one being built there. They really knew how to make some good boats up north. It's what they did, being a strong fishing area and all.

As for the people involved, I like to look at it in a less geographical way. Every part of the country had its fair share of slave merchants. It's not so much where it happened as who did it. Many people in the North looked at all Southerners as being slave owners. They saw all Northerners as merchants and industrialists and stuff like that. But in reality, most people were nothing the others thought. While the South still had the most plantations and slave owners, I'm more than willing to admit that some Northerners had slaves too.

As for Grant, he treated the slaves he was put in charge of very well. I think he paid them too actually, but I'm not sure about that. I also believe he freed them at some point. It was all because he married the daughter of slave owners.

We also can't forget that many who wished for slavery to be abolished were honest, good people who never owned a slave in their life. Some were hypocrites, but most weren't.

I also agree that the Confederate flag should not be banned. I may be a Northerner through and through, but I don't think it's right to stop them from remembering the South's attempt at independence. It's a huge part of this nation's history that shouldn't be silenced. While I think those who still hope for the Confederacy to come back are a bit nuts, I don't blame them for wanting to display the pride they have for their area and beliefs. Stopping that flag from being flown is destroying the individuality that makes this country unique.

[charge_of_glory]

I agree with all that. I think a huge part of it all is that people are loyal to their area and can't admit that it hasn't been perfect in the CW either. But I suppose that such loyalty isn't such a bad thing. In my history class we're learning about Rome and we saw how losing loyalty can cause the fall of an empire, or a country nowadays. I think we here in America just need to find the happy medium between history, myths, and loyalty. But that won't be until 2008 lol.

[charge_of_glory]

I never said the North was a sacred haven for slaves. Nobody liked them, but the North just didn't keep them inslaved. Besides, not every Northerner was an abolishionist. but most of the people who were were from the North. the matter of slavery in the Civil War isn't so much about how much people liked them as it was their freedom. Better hated than inslaved.

As for loyalty, finding the happy medium includes correcting myths.

Everyone knows and admits that slavery was up North since the colonies were formed. But it's also where abolishonment movement began. The North wasn't and isn't some big horrible lying beast. Everyone against the North only seems to ba able to see the mistakes they made, and not what they did to fix it.

Mr. Emerson may have been for white sumpremacy, but that doesn't mean everyone up North was. The actions and words of one should not be taken as the actions and words of all.

Also, what Northerners did to blacks was being done around the country. It happened a lot in the South too. It still does sometimes too nowadays. The North cannot be made out to be this horrible place when it was a countrywide crime, not a regional one.