| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
Bbbob Sergeant
Joined: 28 Apr 2007 Posts: 12

|
Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 10:15 pm Post subject: Why did South Carolina want to break from The Union? |
|
|
| What exactly was the reason where they said "To *beep* with this!" and decided they wanted to break free.? |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
N.W.15thAR Captain
Joined: 07 Mar 2006 Posts: 167

|
Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 5:29 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Because they were really really upset!
Pvt. Gale
N.W. 15th Arkansas |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
O'Bruadair Major
Joined: 21 Mar 2006 Posts: 224 Location: Close to the ground

|
Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:02 am Post subject: |
|
|
The answer to that question can be complicated and multi-faceted. When all the “patriotic” hyperbole, myth and propaganda of both sides is stripped away though it boils down to one question:
Who was going to control the wealth?
I have demonstrated elsewhere on this board that the South was undoubtedly the wealthiest part of the nation on a per capita basis in 1860 but has been the poorest ever since.
This is what secession was really about and this is what the war was really about i.e a huge transfer of wealth from South to north.
The people of the South wanted to continue to control Southern wealth and their own destiny according to the principles laid down in the Constitution.
Lincoln and his yankee mercantilist buddies had other ideas.
I think H.L. Mencken said it best when he wrote about the “Gettysburg address”:
“The Gettysburg speech was at once the shortest and the most famous oration in American history...the highest emotion reduced to a few poetical phrases. Lincoln himself never even remotely approached it. It is genuinely stupendous. But let us not forget that it is poetry, not logic; beauty, not sense. Think of the argument in it. Put it into the cold words of everyday. The doctrine is simply this: that the Union soldiers who died at Gettysburg sacrificed their lives to the cause of self-determination – that government of the people, by the people, for the people, should not perish from the earth. It is difficult to imagine anything more untrue. The Union soldiers in the battle actually fought against self-determination; it was the Confederates who fought for the right of their people to govern themselves.”
Now I know this is a hard pill for most Americans to swallow (it is especially difficult for neo-puritan PC types) Nevertheless if you can overcome your American “education” and think about it logically the way Mencken did you will find it to be true. _________________ "The love of money is the root of this, as of many other evils. The quarrel between the North and South is, as it stands, solely a fiscal quarrel."
Charles DI CKENS |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Ollie439 Sergeant
Joined: 02 May 2007 Posts: 17 Location: Alabama

|
Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 3:05 pm Post subject: Broken Record |
|
|
| States rights! states rights! states rights! bunch of horse *beep* that it, states right to hold slaves is all that *beep* is. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Nick Sergeant Major
Joined: 25 Apr 2007 Posts: 51

|
Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 6:06 am Post subject: |
|
|
| O'Bruadair wrote: |
I think H.L. Mencken said it best when he wrote about the “Gettysburg address”:
“The Gettysburg speech was at once the shortest and the most famous oration in American history...the highest emotion reduced to a few poetical phrases. Lincoln himself never even remotely approached it. It is genuinely stupendous. But let us not forget that it is poetry, not logic; beauty, not sense. Think of the argument in it. Put it into the cold words of everyday. The doctrine is simply this: that the Union soldiers who died at Gettysburg sacrificed their lives to the cause of self-determination – that government of the people, by the people, for the people, should not perish from the earth. It is difficult to imagine anything more untrue. The Union soldiers in the battle actually fought against self-determination; it was the Confederates who fought for the right of their people to govern themselves.”
|
Not really, it all depends on who "we the people" means. If as lincoln was useing it, it means all the people in the Union, then Mencken is plainly incorrct, while if "we the people" means the people of seperate states, then he is correct, in terms of logic and sense and perspective etc, Licoln was correct from his perspective. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
O'Bruadair Major
Joined: 21 Mar 2006 Posts: 224 Location: Close to the ground

|
Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 10:04 pm Post subject: |
|
|
"[quote]Licoln was correct from his perspective"[/quote]
Well yeah I guess so. Same could be said of Hitler and Stalin too. _________________ "The love of money is the root of this, as of many other evils. The quarrel between the North and South is, as it stands, solely a fiscal quarrel."
Charles DI CKENS |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
THE5ASPECTS Sergeant
Joined: 07 Feb 2008 Posts: 15

|
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:07 pm Post subject: |
|
|
[quote="O'Bruadair"]"[quote]Licoln was correct from his perspective"[/quote]
Well yeah I guess so. Same could be said of Hitler and Stalin too.[/quote]
true... Lincoln did have absolutely no reason for the war other than "Fort Sumter" which was not even the first actual battle, TECHNICALLY. _________________ HAPPY YEAR OF THE RAT!!! |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
|