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kevin First Sergeant
Joined: 19 May 2005 Posts: 31

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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:17 pm Post subject: Was slavery the primary cause of the war? |
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Was slavery the main reason for South Carolina seceding from the union and the root cause of the war? Or was it states rights?
It seems to me slavery was a motivating factor behind many of the people who fought in the war on both sides.
John Brown's raid and rapid execution bears witness to this. The authorities have referred to the charged atmosphere of the surrounding countryside as a reason for expediting his judgement. |
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rreese09 Corporal
Joined: 19 Mar 2006 Posts: 2 Location: Alabama

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Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 12:15 pm Post subject: Slavery or State's Rights? |
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| To my knowledge, the main reason for the war was state's rights and taxes. Slavery was an issue, but main issue was what to do with them. Most southern states were in the process of doing away with slavery and alot of the slaves were sold to the northern states. Slavery was ending all over the United States and Confederate States. It's ashamed that most of the world now believes the war was over slavery. This is due to government attempted to portray the Union as the good guys and the Confederacy as the bad. More and more people that want to know the truth are beginning to find it and see that the war was fought over the same reasons the USA fought Britian. |
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dixierules First Sergeant
Joined: 21 Mar 2006 Posts: 36 Location: Michigan

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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 1:02 pm Post subject: cause of civil war |
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the civil war was not fought over slavery,it was fought because the south wanted its independence form the united states due to taxation without representation, lincoln didnt evan want to get rid of slavery until about two or three years in the war, and in my opinion he only did so to get more support.
- in my opinion there never should have been a civil war the north should have minded there own buiseness and let the south do what they wanted to do, because they had no authority over the southern states. |
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bucktailre-enactor First Sergeant
Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 24

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Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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| slavery was not an issue that started the Civil War. It was started over the tax conflict. |
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unknown189 Sergeant
Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 18 Location: virgina

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Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 1:25 am Post subject: |
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| i believe that slavery was just 1 of many reasons of the cause |
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Anime_Fanatics_101 Corporal
Joined: 30 Mar 2006 Posts: 8 Location: Missouri

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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 4:45 pm Post subject: Not entirely |
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While slavery was one of the causes that fueled the war, the main reason was that the North and South disagreed on what kind of Federal Government they were under. Southeners beilieved that the Union was compacted of states and that the states had more power. However, the Northeners believed the Union as a whole to have more power.
Another underlying cause was economical. The Congress was enacting trade agreements with other contries that would favor the manufacturing-centered North, while harming the more agricultural South. _________________ The best pathway to knowledge, is understanding |
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cphilrun Sergeant
Joined: 01 Apr 2006 Posts: 10 Location: waukegan, illinois

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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 2:37 pm Post subject: Was Slavery the Cause of the Civil War |
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Maybe a cause for a percentage of the population, certainly contributed. I think overall, it was a suppression of states rights that was the galvanizing factor for the south. Since the south seceded the union didn't need a cause per se to ignite before hand. The souths withdrawal from the union was enough. _________________ Charles "Chuck" Jackson Sr. |
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dixierules First Sergeant
Joined: 21 Mar 2006 Posts: 36 Location: Michigan

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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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the south leaving the union should of had nothing to do with it because the had the right to do that,
and thay chose to. |
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cphilrun Sergeant
Joined: 01 Apr 2006 Posts: 10 Location: waukegan, illinois

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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 4:30 pm Post subject: Causes of the war |
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Hmmm dixie to bad the union didn't see it that way....wouldn't have a web site here devoted to the civil war. Right to secede from the union? I don't believe I saw that in the consitution or the bill of rights. If such was the case then the article or provision would still exist, and you guys could try it again. As it stands, the withdrawal of the states from the union was a driving force, FOR the union. You southern boys can call it anywhich way you want. _________________ Charles "Chuck" Jackson Sr. |
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NWFlConfederate First Sergeant
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 26 Location: North-West Florida (Panhandle)

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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 9:00 am Post subject: Interpretation |
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Interpretation, interpretation, interpretation. It all boils down to that. You can ARGUE that the Constitution didn't say that anyone could secede, but you cannot make the same as a factual statement, you simply can't. The ninth and tenth amendments are too disambiguous to allow for a clear conclusion either way. I for one, and dixierules, both believe that the constitution allowed for secession, I believe it is one of the rights that were withheld by the states according to the ninth (?) amendment.
Thus, you can say that you don't THINK that it was legal, but you cannot simply say it wasn't.
Still, it is obvious that the North attacked because the South seceded, not for any other reason, it did matter. _________________ I Criosta Iosa linn Thiarna agus Slanaitheoir,
Alec C. Sutton
Frustrated, depressed, angry, and annoyed.
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dixierules First Sergeant
Joined: 21 Mar 2006 Posts: 36 Location: Michigan

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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:09 am Post subject: |
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| you got a good point there buddy. |
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cphilrun Sergeant
Joined: 01 Apr 2006 Posts: 10 Location: waukegan, illinois

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Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 7:37 pm Post subject: causes for the war |
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Yep it all boiled down to interpretation. The North interpreted it one way, the south the other. The abolitionists war cry was about slavery but the average joe coming off the farms and small towns in the north saw it another way. I believe ultimately the cause for the north boiled down to secession and perceived aggression by the south (Fort Sumter). It was a chapter, although a bloody one in the life of a great nation, and given sentiment expressed here, and across this nation, still a live one.
I had relatives on both sides(Virginia, Tennessee, Iowa, North Carolina and I wouldnt pick one(A side). _________________ Charles "Chuck" Jackson Sr. |
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Savez First Sergeant
Joined: 06 Apr 2006 Posts: 25

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Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 9:08 am Post subject: |
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I hate to be the stick in the mud but slavery played a more important role than many of you suggest. Look at this...
| Quote: | A Declaration of the Immediate Causes which Induce and Justify the Secession of the State of Mississippi from the Federal Union.
In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.
Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery--the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.
That we do not overstate the dangers to our institution, a reference to a few facts will sufficiently prove.
The hostility to this institution commenced before the adoption of the Constitution, and was manifested in the well-known Ordinance of 1787, in regard to the Northwestern Territory.
The feeling increased, until, in 1819-20, it deprived the South of more than half the vast territory acquired from France.
The same hostility dismembered Texas and seized upon all the territory acquired from Mexico.
It has grown until it denies the right of property in slaves, and refuses protection to that right on the high seas, in the Territories, and wherever the government of the United States had jurisdiction.
It refuses the admission of new slave States into the Union, and seeks to extinguish it by confining it within its present limits, denying the power of expansion.
It tramples the original equality of the South under foot.
It has nullified the Fugitive Slave Law in almost every free State in the Union, and has utterly broken the compact which our fathers pledged their faith to maintain.
It advocates negro equality, socially and politically, and promotes insurrection and incendiarism in our midst.
It has enlisted its press, its pulpit and its schools against us, until the whole popular mind of the North is excited and inflamed with prejudice.
It has made combinations and formed associations to carry out its schemes of emancipation in the States and wherever else slavery exists. It seeks not to elevate or to support the slave, but to destroy his present condition without providing a better.
It has invaded a State, and invested with the honors of martyrdom the wretch whose purpose was to apply flames to our dwellings, and the weapons of destruction to our lives.
It has broken every compact into which it has entered for our security.
It has given indubitable evidence of its design to ruin our agriculture, to prostrate our industrial pursuits and to destroy our social system.
It knows no relenting or hesitation in its purposes; it stops not in its march of aggression, and leaves us no room to hope for cessation or for pause.
It has recently obtained control of the Government, by the prosecution of its unhallowed schemes, and destroyed the last expectation of living together in friendship and brotherhood.
Utter subjugation awaits us in the Union, if we should consent longer to remain in it. It is not a matter of choice, but of necessity. We must either submit to degradation, and to the loss of property worth four billions of money, or we must secede from the Union framed by our fathers, to secure this as well as every other species of property. For far less cause than this, our fathers separated from the Crown of England.
Our decision is made. We follow their footsteps. We embrace the alternative of separation; and for the reasons here stated, we resolve to maintain our rights with the full consciousness of the justice of our course, and the undoubting belief of our ability to maintain it. |
Every other state has the same reasoning in their "Declaration of Immediate Causes". I thought this might spark some more discussion. I would like to hear everyone's thoughts. |
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Anime_Fanatics_101 Corporal
Joined: 30 Mar 2006 Posts: 8 Location: Missouri

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Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 11:03 am Post subject: chew on this |
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...true, interperatation has a lot to do with it, but not all of it. The states had been together for a while now, through thick and thin. Rather than turn to God and pray about the issue, the South seceded and the North declared war. Imagine what would have happened if America had just turned back to her Provider. All of this could have been avoided. I think that was on of the primary causes of the war. America turned away from God. _________________ The best pathway to knowledge, is understanding |
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GeoMcClellan Sergeant Major
Joined: 22 Apr 2006 Posts: 71

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Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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The reason South Carolina seceded; distrust of Lincoln and the Republican Party. South Carolina was the last bastion of old time Whiggery and they felt these Republican upstarts would ruin the country and wanted nothing to do with it, especially when a Doofus McGoofus like Lincoln was in charge of it.
The reason for the Civil War; because South Carolina seceded and so did a bunch of other copy cats.  _________________ Very Truly
Geo B McClellan
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