Who do you pull for?

O'Bruadair · Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:26 pm Post subject:

H—l fire boy, you just joined last Sunday! You ain’t had time to be insulted properly!

The South has been treated largly as an economic vassal of the north for the last 140 years. We have been unfairly blamed for a war that any buffoon could see could have been avoided had Lincoln and his yankee handlers desired to do so. Not only this while we were being bled to death economically and blamed morally yankees were/are looking down their neo-puritan noses and unfairly maligning everything and everybody Southern. Furthermore on top of all that, these things have been and are occurring while Southerners were/are shedding buckets of BLOOD (much more than our proportionate share) to defend the very people who were and are persecuting and denigrating us and our culture.

Insulted?

H—l boy, you don’t know the meaning of the word!

charge_of_glory · Captain Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Posts: 136

Besides, after you get insulted a bit, everyone gets nicer. It's just how we get to know people lol. We've all had our fair share of insults, but we mean no disrespect to one another. This war is a touchy thing to discuss, so of course people will get angry from time to time. IMHO, I think we're pretty mature here. But you're free to do as you wish, so carry on.

chief_joseph · Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 3:55 am Post subject:

chief_joseph · Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:03 am Post subject: my vote

Of course "neutral", although I have a bit more sympathy for the South.

cwalenta999 · Sergeant Major Joined: 17 Mar 2007 Posts: 60

Chief Joseph, you wrote:

"Certainly, our geography has shaped our impressions of this conflict. But I fail to understand the hostility I receive here for a simple opinion nearly 150 years after the war. "

I agree, its difficult to imagine, because I am sure the Franco-Prussian War barely registers on the European radar anymore. I feel that Europeans generally underestimate Southern Pride, its closest to the pride felt in Bavaria for being Bavarian, but its not quite the same thing.

Europe and the United States share many similarities, but of course there are many differences as well. In the US there is a greater focus on the individual (It doesn't mean that Germans don't think of themselves as individuals of couse, but a great example is social programs, in Germany couples with a lot of children can get assistance with child care from the government, in the US if somebody told you they were receiving government assistance to raise children it would raise an eyebrow, ie. why are you letting the gov't raise your children? Raise your own kids!) This focus on the individual is important to consider because there is a 'Rebel' in all of us (ie. authority figure, f___ you)

FOJ · Corporal Joined: 25 Mar 2007 Posts: 8

Okay. I'll have a go at it. Laughing

Slavery was a BIG reason for this conflict. To suggest otherwise is neo-Confederate nonsense. South Carolina tried to secede in 1852 and the top reason on the list (per the secession Declaration) was as follows:

O'Bruadair · Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:31 pm Post subject:

It is unclear where that 2nd quote came from

It ain’t too hard to refute this pack of lies either though.

First of all no one on this forum that I am aware of and certainly not I nor any one else that I ever heard of have said that The South is “ a region with no race problems”.

Is that what you are asserting here?

As far as Reconstruction goes you again have your facts mixed up. Reconstruction failed all right but it was the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT running things in the South during reconstruction. H---l fire the vast majority of white Southerners weren’t even allowed to vote.

The Klan (the original one) was a response to the “union leagues” and other such terrorist organizations that were SPONSERED AND ENCOURAGED by the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

As far as modern day race relations go (and that is the type that really counts and not what it was like in 1880) consider this:

Last year there were 371 hate crimes reported in MASSACHUSETTS. Want to guess how many were reported in ALABAMA and MISSISSIPPI COMBINED?

GIVE UP?

NOT ONE

FOJ · Corporal Joined: 25 Mar 2007 Posts: 8

Massachusetts, being liberal, reports liberally on hate crimes. Alabama and Mississippi are the two states who apparently don't report hate crime statistics. Gee, any wonder they have none listed on the FBI's site?! You actually helped prove my point. Alabama and Mississippi don't call violence against blacks a hate crime. Yet another legacy of the Confederate past, no doubt.

The "failed Reconstruction" referred to here was in the hearts and minds of Southerners, not the buildings and infrastructure. In 150 years, there has been improvements as generation after generation have left behind the enmity against blacks. But its not gone by any means. Despite this history, you still try to claim that slavery was not a main cause of this war? THAT was the point. The source of the quote is irrelevant as I simply posted it because it represents pretty accurately my feelings on the particulars of that issue.

The KKK was not founded in response to any terrorist organizations. It was founded to respond to the perceived unfair treatment in the establishment of the individuals and entities who ruled over southern states from 1866 to 1872. At any rate, once the right to vote was restored and everything else restored for the south, there was no more use for the KKK. Ah, except for the tormenting of black people for the next 100+ years!

Don't like Reconstruction? Don't start a war that takes hundreds of thousands of lives from the Union! The CSA lost and was still treated better than most losing states in most any other conflict.

O'Bruadair · Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:06 pm Post subject:

“Alabama and Mississippi don't call violence against blacks a hate crime”

Your neo-puritan ignorance and bigotry toward the South and Southerners is showing here. Your whole post is patently absurd and would be comedic if it weren’t so hateful and prejudiced.

Most of the larger cities of the South have majority black populations, black mayors and black police chiefs. All the many counties in Alabama and Mississippi that have majority black populations have majority black sheriffs departments and most of them have black Sheriffs and other county officials. The Alabama State Troopers are 37% black (even though the population of Alabama is only about 25% black)

Now you are telling us, in all your neo-puritan wisdom that all those Black officials and Black officers don’t call violence against Blacks a hate crime?

That is a patently absurd notion and YOU KNOW IT!

Now don’t you think you owe the Southern people an apology for your bigotry?

The truth is that kind of personal hate is much more a part or YOUR culture than it is ours. ( The statistics PROVE that, and you have certainly demonstrated it here as well!)We may hate each other; we may even kill each other but it will usually be over something much more tangible than race.

FOJ · Corporal Joined: 25 Mar 2007 Posts: 8

okay, whatever you say, buddy... Rolling Eyes

O'Bruadair · Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 8:47 pm Post subject:

What? No apology? Well to tell the truth I really didn’t expect one.

Puritans don’t apologise even when they have been PROVEN wrong without a shadow of a doubt, as I did you above. You not only won’t apologise you won’t even admit the possibility that you could be wrong.

This just highlights another difference between the Southern culture and the yankee one.

We are quite accustomed to acknowledging our faults. Even if we did not want to we would be forced to by having them thrown in our faces everyday by the politically correct media, public schools and people like you.

You neo-puritans on the other hand will NEVER admit any faults even when hard numbers like those I presented above are plainly laid out. You like your fore bearers, the witch-burning, slave trading Puritans of old, think that you can do no wrong, that you are “God’s chosen people” and that anyone who does not want to be just like you is evil and stupid (and this includes EVERY ONE that is different from you, not just Southerners). Is it any wonder that many Europeans think ALL Americans are smug, self righteous, overbearing hypocrites and call us “ugly Americans”?

Clyde Wilson that eminent Southern scholar from South Carolina described the yankee neo-puritan to a T in his essay entitled “The Yankee Problem in America”

“By Yankee I do not mean everybody from north of the Potomac and Ohio. Lots of them have always been good folks. The firemen who died in the World Trade Center on September 11 were Americans. The politicians and TV personalities who stood around telling us what we are to think about it are Yankees. I am using the term historically to designate that peculiar ethnic group descended from New Englanders, who can be easily recognized by their arrogance, hypocrisy, greed, lack of congeniality, and penchant for ordering other people around. Puritans long ago abandoned anything that might be good in their religion but have never given up the notion that they are the chosen saints whose mission is to make America, and the world, into the perfection of their own image.”

cwalenta999 · Sergeant Major Joined: 17 Mar 2007 Posts: 60

I'm actually writing this for the benefit of our foreign visitors who may not have had a chance to visit the US. But the New South does not fit into some of the negative stereotypes that exist. First and foremost the South is booming, there are cranes and building everywhere throughout the South. While the per capita state income gap remains vis-a-vis the Northern states (which will probably be eliminated in 20-25 years), it seems that the relatively lower price of real estate gives a higher standard of living.

When you compare this with what's going on in the Snow/Rust Belt, its night and day. Cities like Detroit and Buffalo are bleeding people and have been for quite some time now. Even Philadelphia for that matter.

During the 60s, the race riots were just as bad in the North. I even did a quick search on wikipedia and it purports to list notable riots (Wikipedia seems to have everything) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_riots#1960s

A lot of Northern locales on that list.

bankssoldier12 · Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:34 pm Post subject:

Can O'Bruadair be more right? FOJ is just making excuses to save his own ass. He has no idea whats happening in the south right now. FOJ has a real problem with anything relating to the Confederacy. Now I may have my own problems with yankess, but I don't go around making facts out of thin air just to prove my point. I can see that some southerners did fight to keep slavery, but not most of them. I'm telling you that I think O'Bruadair is reading my mind, so I'm sorry if I sound a lot like him. The south fought the war to protect itself and everyone in it. Now I think FOJ needs to "read"(or whatever you do to get your information) some of the things the two biggest Confederates thought about slavery. For one, "Stonewall" Jackson had a black servant(not a slave) that cooked for him and his men. The cook joined Jackson's men on his own, he WANTED to fight for the south. And if you've seen the movie "Gods and Generals" then you'll see what I'm talking about. For Robert E. Lee,I don't think I've heard a quote where he says he's fighting to preserve slavery. And to close, I think FOJ is very imature, now I may not know your age, but I can guess your less than 7 years old.

I want to thank everyone who is defending the south's reputation from tyrants like FOJ, and want to tell you to never lay down your arms because the south NEVER RUNS AND NEVER WILL! Twisted Evil

O'Bruadair · Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 4:59 pm Post subject:

cwalenta999

Thank you for stating some plain facts here!

bankssoldier12

Thanks for the endorsement! I think ALL Southerners regardless of race, religion or politics need to start standing up and saying so when the South is being lied about. As I said before I do not mind at all admitting our faults. They have been and are many but the rest of the Nation could take a lesson from us when it comes to race relations.